Clinton/Obama Health Care Plans?

Has anyone actually seen their plans other than the general outlines they have provided on their websites?

I want to know exactly where their figures come from and can't seem to find it.

I see lots of generalities about how they'll get health care to everyone and about how they'll pay for it.

What I don't see is specific break downs of how they'll get everyone on health care?

How they'll pay for it?

How much it will cost those who are on their health care plan?

How much it will cost those of us who do not need their health care plan?

Can anyone give me a specific website that lists specific details of how they are going to accomplish affordable health care for everyone without bankrupting us further.

They have BOTH said numerous times that they won't have to raise taxes on us. I heard Hillary say that the tax increase on the rich will pay for some of it, but she said the rest of it would come from the savings a national health care plan would save.

Where does she get numbers on the savings her plan would have?

Where does Obama get those numbers?

Both sides claim to have savings without explaining how they'll get the savings.

I am an Obama voter, but I do have to admit that I like Hillary Clinton's health care plan better, if she can pull it off.

The best, relatively non-biased analysis their proposals I've seen is here:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/...

Good luck.

How they'll pay for it?

increase taxation, nothing but simple socialism. They take my money and give it to someone else for healthcare

www.hillaryclinton.com

www.barackobama.com

I agree with you..If they had a plan that would work it would be made very clear to the public and the media...its all talk so far

You will be hard pressed to find something. I know that I haven't and the reason I think is that they don't want you to know the specifics. They don't want you to know that your taxes will need to be increased to pay the cost. They are like any politician and want you to think of their plan as a way taking care of you because you are not capable of taking care of yourself.

Vote Ron Paul

He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.

He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.

He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

Congressman Paul introduces numerous pieces of substantive legislation each year, probably more than any single member of Congress.

Politicians do not like to be pinned down so they can squirm out when things get tough.

If universal coverage can work anywhere, it should be Sweden, a small, homogenous nation where poverty is virtually unknown. Yet problems there have begun to undermine a health care system that dates back to the 1930s, when Social Democrats began to assemble a welfare state.

Waiting times for care, long a problem in Sweden and too often deadly wherever they're found, are now the longest on the Continent, says European think tank Health Consumer Powerhouse.

While Sweden "excels at medical outcomes," the HCP says in its Euro-Canada Health Consumer Index 2008, it is "really bad (and worsening!) at accessibility and service."

Long waits are a hallmark of government health care anywhere it's employed. When the perception exists that treatment is free (it is not; Swedes pay more than half their gross income in taxes to support the welfare state), system overuse is inevitable. People can think of no reason to self-ration care. They show up in emergency rooms and doctor's offices with conditions for which they wouldn't seek treatment if they paid directly at the time of service.

Swedes are accustomed to cradle-to-grave care provided by the state. But rather than deal with long waits, they're opting for private care, which got a boost from limited reform in the 1990s. In private care, patients self-regulate and put less stress on the system.