It Is Absurd To Me That Hospitals Are Filthy What About You?

I have met many people who have caught the flesheating bug in hospital after going in for surgery and even visitors have caught it from bedsheets.

It amazes me how they have all these self promoted managers and yet contract out cleaning, an essential part of the recovery process for patients, to some nickel n dime company.

No wonder wards are filthy and a source of infection. I dont see why nurses can't clean also a lot of them are lazy so and so's.

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It may not be the nurses jobs to clean the wards, but they do little to help. My daughter had a major nose bleed during her very last stay in hospital, I was horrified to find the next day she still had the blood stained pillowcase, the nurses had just told her to 'turn it over'.
I have seen staff out and about in Tesco's wearing their work clothes, travelling on buses wearing their work clothes, claiming they have no alternative since their lockers have now been turned into office space.
My daughter had Lupus, she contracted shingles which became infected several times, her immune system was compromised beyond repair, who can tell me honestly that the staff weren't bringing infections in with them?

two thumbs downs for telling the truth? Eejits Report It

How the hell can the nurses be expected to clean and care for patients when there are barely enough of then to run the ward?
You read all the time about staff shortages yet you want to give them MORE work than they already have?
Your ignorance is unbelievable

As you say it's all because they contracted it out and yes they are filthy but I doubt the nurses have the time.

Is your name BROWN b y any chance.

Never-mind the Hospitals, you should see my boxers!!!!.......

It's not down to nurses to clean, they are professional people who are trained in care not cleaning.

Who is to blame, are the local authorities, who's cut-backs are putting the NHS Hospitals at risk, by penny-pinching and using cheaper Cleaning Companies and Agency Companies to sterilise/clean the Wards.

Nurses and Doctors get as frustrated as patients when they see the state of some of their Hospital environments.
It's down to us to complain to our individual MPs.

Caramac x

Nurses are busy looking after the sick people, that's why they don't clean. Or would you rather they came and gave you a bed bath or changed your dressings straight from having scrubbed the toilets? The cleaning issue does need to be addressed, but not by the medical staff who already have plenty to do.

It Is Absurd your absolutely right ,I know of three people who have died because of this bug, the last one was my friends mother in Plymouth Hospital, it is a disgrace and they should be ashamed of themselves, all these high tech cleaning products and they cant get it right, I need an operation for a hernia but am too afraid of the possible consequences so I have lived with it for 7 years.
PS Please don't blame the nurses.

Perhaps we should look at the types of people who enter our hospitals and visit our hospitals daily. How clean are they?

But having seen BBC news today and the way people (mainly immigrant workers) were carrying out their "deep cleaning" to meet Government deadlines, it makes me wonder why there are not more cases of MRSA or DifC.

Teach the buggers to clean before you put them on the wards with an old mop to spread more germs...then we might be getting somewhere. Strikes me if you want to waste money in Britain today - all you have to do is give an immigrant a feather duster

Apart from the fact that hospitals aren't cleaned properly, I think it's highly possible that anytime visiting is a contributory factor. It's not easy to clean if the ward has visitors at any time of day.
I have read stories about children crawling onto beds and generally running riot, which is not good for cleanliness, let alone peace for sick people. I imagine that if the Ward Sister took a firm hand she would probably be attacked so one of the solutions to the problem seems to be to go back to the old days when visiting hours were laid down (we didn't have the hospital bugs then, that's for sure). At least the hospitals would have fewer excuses about the standard of their cleaning then.

Of course it is not a nurse's duty to clean the wards. Specialist cleaning staff are de rigeur!........... and therein lies a major problem!

These energetic ladies tend to be employed between 9.00am and 2.00pm. This strictly limits what they can do, especially on Drs' Rounds!

The recent "deep cleaning" exercise was a complete loss. In our "super hospital" (which does not have a particular hygeine problem) an external steam cleaning company was contracted to blast all cabinets, beds, bedding, etc.. Meanwhile, whilst bedspaces were vacated for the steaming, the cleaners were to attack all the walls and corners, routinely obscured by the beds, etc..

ONE PROBLEM!

The contractors would start at midday and finish at 6.00pm!......... but the cleaners all legged it at 2.00pm!

I made a point of heaving my bed, etc.. out into the middle of the ward for the cleaners to finish the job!.......... OMG!!!!!!! You should have heard the invective!

I have spent 3 lengthy stays in hospital, for major surgery. I always shower twice a day in hospital and disinfect my body with the good old TCP! After my first sojourn, I was the ONLY patient on our ward, who did NOT experience post operative infection for as long as the staff could remember!

When I was in the close supervision unit, I used medicated wipes (they wouldn't let me out of bed).

Hi M.
You are right when you say it is absurd that our hospitals are filthy, but on the question of nurses cleaning, I have to disagree with you. They have enough to do as it is. I know you are angry but they are not to blame.
Look for example at Doctors. Look at the way they wear their Chain of Office around their neck, the stethoscope.
Can you imagine the sweat and grime that gathers there with all the hours they work each day???
Yet they move like bees from one patient to another using the same scope, without ever sterilizing it.
I have seen Doctors and other hospital staff in hospital car parks having a cigarette brake. When finished, they simply resume their duties, again no sterilizing.
I say bring back the Nuns to run our hospitals.
I could keep going all night.
When will they admit they have got it wrong, and instead of giving these germs fancy names lets call them what they are DIRT AND FILTH.
Shame on all Hospital Managers.
cathorio.

If national health hospitals are kept filthy, negligently, deliberately or whatever then it makes private medical care more attractive, doesn't it ?! Problem is, most of the population cannot afford private medical care.
There are two ways to value a service (1) by improving it or (2) by devaluing the alternative.

Whichever is the case in the UK right now I don't know but I surely hope it is not '(2)'

i can only assume you know nothing what so ever about nursing, the duties of a nurse are many and varied, and too numerous to mention, suffice it to say the average nurse hardly has time to use the bathroom let alone clean.although i agree hospitals can be very dirty places, especially now private cleaning firms have taken over day to day cleaning.

Whilst I don't necessarily think that nurses should clean, I do think that standards of medical care and hygiene have slumped.
Administrative staff and budgets rule everything nowadays but that does not mean that medical staff should forget what they are for. I think that Athena has a point about visiting hours but there are far too many stories circulating in the Press about giggling, gossiping nurses whilst desperate patients are ringing for help which does not come.
What is needed is the old type dragon of a Matron who used to control not only nurses but doctors too.

Nurses are NOT cleaners - AND THEY'RE NOT BLOODY LAZY EITHER!!!. They don't get paid enough for the wonderful work that they do, never mind having to turn domestic. That'd be really good, eh? Nurses cleaning the toilets then tending to patients. GET A GRIP!!! The worst thing that happened to hospitals is when the NHS gave the cleaning contracts to firms outwith the hospitals. When the cleaning was the responsibility of the hospitals, you never heard of anything like MRSA and CDiff. Visitors also bring in loads of germs and it doesn't help when they also use patients facilities when requested NOT to! DON'T BLAME THE NURSES!!!!!!!!

Actually alto of it is exaggerated,There are now better ways in testing for bugs .There are also due to many decades of antibiotic misuse microbes that are
resistant to medication.Hospitals are not filthy but due to their very environment of housing those with disease and those who are unsuppressed they present an opportunity for bugs to thrive.This is not just due to the efforts of domestic or nursing or medical staff.
Privatisation of cleaning services and vast over use of resources has added to the problem.
Scaremongering does not help.Visitors can not "catch" necrotising fashitis (flesh eating bugs) from bedsheets

you bet ye, never go to a hospital.

I have never once seen a lazy nurse in my life.

I was in hospital for three days just a few weeks ago and can't complain about the level of cleanliness or hygiene of the staff - they all washed their hands on entering my room and before they left. My room was also cleaned every day while I was there and deep cleaned as I left.

As Mrs GC says, nurses would not have the time to clean - they could barely cope with the number of patients on my ward - example, whilst having my canula changed the nurse attending to me was being constantly called by her colleague to do something else - I could tell it was frustrating her - its not as if she had slipped off for a break she was undertaking an important task!

i've been in several times over the last year and have never seen a lazy nurse they were all rushed off their feet, i was tested for mrsa when i got there and again before i left. some of these germs are bought in by patients and visitors and are not all down to poor hygiene, in fact there are more germs, infections and strains of mrsa in my local gym than there is in my local hospital, gyms are well known for it.